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Peter Elbow and David Bartholomae have both been at the forefront of the way I have been taught to write in English classes all throughout my high school and college experiences. How is a high school student supposed to decide how to write? Personally, I was not ever really taught how to write. I was told how to write. There have always been some sort of conflicting views going on and for the most part it depended entirely on which teacher was doing the teaching; occasionally, however, it seemed that students were being taught contradictory information on how to approach writing. I was tempted to argue that this clash of views has made my writing suffer and that it has done little except confuse me, but as I thought about I realized just how much the ideas of Elbow and Bartholomae (although I didn’t know until recently that the ideas belonged to these two) have brought depth to the type of writing I do.

One English teacher in particular was always there to guide me along the path of writing in what was a unique and often very peculiar way. Mr. Ginapp played a large part in my decision to become an English major. The three years of English classes with Mr. Ginapp were the best years of learning I’ve had. While I definitely learned a lot of other important things in high school and an even larger amount in college, Mr. Ginapp’s class taught me more in such a short amount of time and it shaped me into the person I am.


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Mr. Ginapp’s classes looked at English through the scope of both Elbow and Bartholomae. On one hand, Mr. Ginapp taught his classes that it was extremely important to be an individual. This was the first thing I thought of when I began to read Bartholomae’s Against the Grain. At the very beginning Bartholomae says that “how [he] writes is against the grain” (Bartholomae, 19). Up until Mr. Ginapp’s classes I had learned that no, it’s not really all right to write against the grain and that it is only acceptable to write in a perfectly structured and ridiculously predictable way. What Mr. Ginapp did differently was allow his students to experiment while still following certain “traditions.” Many times we would be told to (to borrow from Bartholomae) inherit the way in which we wrote. We were encouraged to borrow from authors we liked. At the same time we were instructed to, as is the problem Elbow presents, be a writer as opposed to be an academic.

The problem here is obviously that we were being told to do two completely different things. In my high school sophomore brain I could not reconcile trying to copy and to be unique at the same time. I got a C on my first paper for Mr. Ginapp; when I talked to him after class his reply was that he liked my paper, but it sucked. His instruction to me was much like Elbow’s goal for students- that they be able “to end up saying, ‘I feel like I am a writer: I get a deep satisfaction from discovering meanings by writing- figuring out what I think and feel through putting down word” (Elbow, 72).


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I think a lot of people are taught similarly, but in a way that is not so helpful. They are told what to write, how to write, and when to write. The role of the teacher was to grade assignments based on how well a student wrote more or less exactly what they were told to write. Perhaps other schools weren’t taught this way and I’m completely off base. In fact it is quite possible that this is the case based on the fact that many of the writers in my freshman level college writing classes seemed to do fairly well. Regardless, the first time I had to write a reader response, it was a completely new experience for me. I’ll be honest; I was shocked that my interpretation was one that was potentially “right” and that it could be different from the interpretations of others and the agreed upon interpretation that was stated in the teacher’s edition of a text book.

The lesson I took from Mr. Ginapp is one that is still valuable to me today. He taught me that it is important for a student to think for him or herself and write from that particular and individual point of view, but that’s it’s also important to have some knowledge of the past and the perspectives of people who have written before. One of the ways to do this is to simply write. In one class in particular, Mr. Ginapp told the students to write each day in a notebook. At the beginning of class we had to hold up our notebook so he could see that we had written something. It was a notebook he would never read, but one we were told to keep simply because it was important to write in a place where he wouldn’t be grading (in other words, a place without a teacher). Mr. Ginapp always told his students that their voice was just as important as what they were saying and that it was always important to retain what was unique about our writing styles; at the same time he made it abundantly clear that a good writer follows the rules of the past, breaking them only when the writer actually knows what the rule is.


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I don’t really consider myself an academic or a writer necessarily, but I do feel like I am getting there, slowly but surely. In the end, I think it takes a certain experience to become a good writer and a competent academic. The only way I have been able to attempt to be either is through writing about various subjects and for different reasons all while under the guidance of someone who has done just those things, but it was also incredibly important to my endeavor that I try to keep some sense of voice while bringing parts of the past into each thing I write.

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Mitchell on whole page :

John -
I liked how you wrote about a past experience with a teacher and identified what elements of Elbow and Barth he used to teach. My only suggestion is that your final paragraph stands by itself totally independent from the rest of your essay. Maybe add a sentence in there to attach the paragraph to the rest of the essay. Maybe talk about your teacher a little. Other than that, good job.
Thanks for sharing your paper with me,
- Mitchell
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September 17, 2008 3:00 pm
illaria on paragraph -1:

I like your teachers point of view here and I think it is a good lesson to take with you through writing classes.

September 17, 2008 8:10 pm
illaria on paragraph -1:

I agree it seems that many are taught the same way. Is it possible that students all generally did well in college composition classes because they were just reiterating everything the teacher taught?

September 17, 2008 8:16 pm
illaria on whole page :

John,
I enjoyed your paper. I liked how you incorporated your experience with one single teacher throughout the entire paper. I also like that you have included the ideas that work for you in writing to support your argument. I think it was very well done.
~Hilary

September 17, 2008 8:18 pm
kitto on paragraph 1:

I love the line “I was not ever really taught how to write. I was told how to write.” I find it very relatable and explanatory of how a lot of people can perceive what a teacher is saying to them. Great!

September 17, 2008 10:18 pm
kitto on paragraph 5:

Nice conclusion! It ties it wonderfully, however, I think the last part of it would flow better and be better emphasized if it was broken up into maybe two sentences instead of one long one.

September 17, 2008 10:39 pm
kitto on whole page :

John,
Overall very nice paper! I enjoyed it a lot; the paper demonstrated a good combination of voice and supporting information that kept my attention through its entirety.
Thanks for sharing-
-Jamie

September 17, 2008 10:54 pm
Lindsey Y. on whole page :

John,

What I liked about this paper was how you were able to base your essay on your personal experience of using Elbow’s method. I also liked the transition from one paragraph to another. Overall great job and thank you for letting me read this essay.

Lindsey Y.

September 18, 2008 8:41 am
Beatriz on paragraph 1:

John,
The opening line was good, I liked how you related these two authors back to your experiences, however there are a few sentences that could be broken down. The line starts, ” I was tempted to argue…” and right around, “but as I thought about I…” It gets a little confusing. Maybe you can break it into a few sentences?

September 18, 2008 10:32 am
Beatriz on paragraph 3:

I liked how you included your experience with writing and how you compared Mr. Ginapp to elbow and bartholomae.

September 18, 2008 10:34 am
Beatriz on paragraph 7:

The last paragraph was good because you told the reader why you think it is important to be an academic and a good writer by telling the reader why it has worked for you.

September 18, 2008 10:37 am
Beatriz on whole page :

John,
I thought this paper was relatable and I liked how you told the readers about your own experiences and why they have worked for you. However, there was that sentence in the first paragraph that was a little confusing to read (see comment). Other than that, it was a good paper and thank you for sharing it with me!
Beatriz V

September 18, 2008 10:41 am
dra08 on whole page :

test post

September 18, 2008 11:26 am
Kristin on whole page :

John-
Thank you for sharing your paper with me! I thought the way the paper was set up with the focus on your teacher, Mr. Ginapp, was excellent. You used voice and personal experience to explain Elbow and Bartholomae’s take on writing in the classroom. After reading everyone else’s paper, I really enjoyed the way you put out there that BOTH ways of writing are what should be taught in the classroom. The only glitch I found was in the last paragraph. Have confidence with your writing! The more confident you are as a writer, the more confident your readers will be!!
Great Job!
Kristin
nuge5901@bears.unco.edu

September 18, 2008 12:44 pm
chibihi on whole page :

John,
This was a really good essay. I thought that your use of your own personal experience throughout the entire essay was very brave. Thanks for sharing your essay.
Chantelle

September 18, 2008 4:52 pm
Lindsay on whole page :

John,
I like how you kept your paper tied in with one teacher and show how he included both ways of teaching writing. Thanks for sharing
Lindsay M

September 18, 2008 8:54 pm
Mateja on paragraph 1:

I really like how you included your personal experiences and tied them into the two writers. However, I feel like some of the sentences in this paragraph get a little foggy. Maybe if you make them a little less jumbled it would make the paragraph a little clearer.

September 19, 2008 8:44 am
Mateja on whole page :

John,
I really enjoyed your paper thank you for sharing it with us. The use of your personal experiences was very effective throughout the paper. However, I thought the final paragraph was not tied in with the rest of the paper, maybe going back to earlier paragraphs will be helpful. Thanks again.
Mateja

September 19, 2008 8:48 am
victoria on paragraph 1:

I like how you differentiated between taught and told as far as writing is concerned.

September 21, 2008 11:27 am
victoria on whole page :

John
I like that you talked about your teacher but maybe try adding a flashback to a specific moment in his class that stuck out in your mind
-Victoria

September 21, 2008 11:41 am
dra08 on whole page :

From Jeremy:
John your paper had some very good insights through the examples of Mr. Ginapp, and it was also very easy to follow. I also am impressed with your uncanny ability to use adjectives, you are particularly good with those and it really stands out, no joke. I would just say to be careful to maintain a strong voice throughout the essay (what I mean by this is avoid compromising your statements). For example when you said, “The role of the teacher was to grade assignments based on how well a student wrote more or less exactly what they were told to write. Perhaps other schools weren’t taught this way and I’m completely off base.” I would just say take out the second sentence and replace it with another thought.

September 25, 2008 3:22 pm
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